One of the most poorly researched articles.
I will show you how poorly you grasped the article and how you are a racist.
The basis of creation of the separate state has already been discussed and debated multiple times on television. For starters, Telangana has a different culture. Secondly, the representation of Telanganaites in various government offices of AP is negligent. Thirdly, Gentleman’s Agreement was not honoured. Fourthly, except Hyderabad and its surroundings, rest of TG was grossly ignored. I can list out much more reasons, but I will stop here.
Not once the parliament discussed this issue to form a basis. “Telangana has a different culture” so do many other regions in the state and also in other states. Still its okay to divide it on that basis, provided, you define the parameters to what constitutes a ‘cultural difference’ and apply it consistently through out the country. “The representation of Telanganaites in various government offices of AP is negligent” So who all went on strike when the agitation was happening if they were negligent? Again, if this claim can be proved legitimately and if that is stated as the reason I don’t have any issue. Why doesn’t the union govt state that as an issue? If there were any such violations, questions will also be raised on why the democratically elected representatives of that region didn’t raise the issue…as they are also part of the government..as and when the violation happened? On a completely different note, this reservation based socialist policies are idiotic and if that is formed as the basis for jobs and not merit..you go no where. Ofcourse this is for a different debate. “Gentleman’s Agreement was not honoured”. Gentleman’s agreement is irrelevant here. The allegations of violations of that agreement and its existence were the basis for 1969 separate telangana agitation and the separate andhra agitation of 1971 respectively..the whole thing was settled then by a ‘six point formula’ by Indira gandhi. If any, the allegation should be about the violation of ‘six point formula’. Again, it should be proved and and also prove that it is reason enough to divide a state and be introduced in the “statement of objects and reasons” and then bifurcate…that is, if one believes in following procedures. “Fourthly, except Hyderabad and its surroundings, rest of TG was grossly ignored” Define ‘neglect’ and adopt it as the principle on which you divide states..when you do that, AP itself will be divided into 3-4 states…because there are other regions equally well neglected in the state. The answer for ‘neglect’ is in understanding the proper ‘role of the government‘, if you want to have a read. “I can list out much more reasons, but I will stop here.“. Please do.
Why only AP ? Because all major national parties promised a separate Telangana. Don’t act as if you don’t know it. I have one other info for you. Dhar commmittee recommended Andhra not be created. Why then was Andhra created ? If those recommendations can be overlooked and a separate Andhra can be created, I see no reason why Sri Krishna Committee recommendations should be ignored. The Chapter 8 was proof enough that the SKC was bought over by the Seemandhra lobby. So it is not always compulsory that a committees recommendation should be implemented .
“Why only AP ? Because all major national parties promised a separate Telangana. Don’t act as if you don’t know it.” Here is where you stopped applying your mind. I was trying to dissect the issue ‘objectively’. All the political parties taking the same stand doesn’t make the stand right. The food security bill was passed unanimously..but that doesn’t make it ‘right’ and it is not that we shouldn’t debate it independent of the political views. (here is a view which points out the cruelty of food security bill). And this is exactly what media is for..and I was just pointing it out to them. “I have one other info for you. Dhar commmittee recommended Andhra not be created. Why then was Andhra created ? If those recommendations can be overlooked and a separate Andhra can be created, I see no reason why Sri Krishna Committee recommendations should be ignored.”Thanks for the information on Dhar committee. Again you failed to grasp my point..I only highlighted the recommendation made by SKC, my point, however, was on why it was not tabled in the parliament and discussed..and why the media let it pass. If the Dhar committee had a principle and a point, Andhra shouldn’t have been created..only should have come into existence after the first SRC. Your argument is similar to political parties defending a ‘riot’ by pointing out to an old ‘riot’. “The Chapter 8 was proof enough that the SKC was bought over by the Seemandhra lobby.” I have no idea about this..but again if it was tabled in the parliament it would have seen the light and one would have gotten a chance to expose it.
“I agree with you on the media’s insincereity. Not going to contest that. But Seemandhra politicians were any better ? Why didn’t they take this opportunity to reach out to people in both regions and work towards reconciliation ?”
Where did this come from? I was only talking about what the media should have done. What politicians should have done was not the theme of my post. Again, poor understanding.
“With 175 MLAs, Seemandhra MLAs were always going to reject it.”
If you read the post again, keeping aside all your biases, all I said was..when the center rejected a resolution by the UP assembly to split up the state, how can they force their decision on a divided house? There has to be some basis on why some resolutions are recommended and some not..and my question was why no debate on that? Or are you okay with center acting on their whims and fancies? I am not! “Article 143 does not say the President should consult the Supreme Court always.” Where did I say he always should? Since there was some ambiguity, I thought it was a fit case to consult the SC or at least some discussion on this front should have happened. “If State Assembly’s resolutions matter, then we should disband current Andhra Pradesh, and merge Andhra back into Tamil Nadu because the then Madras Presidency rejected the demand for separate Andhra.It was only after hectic lobbying with the Centre that Andhra got a state of it’s own.” As I mentioned before, justifying a riot with a riot. But here you are also ignorant..true Madras Presidency had rejected the demand for separate Andhra, but this was before center intervened.Once it did, they convinced them, and when the Andhra State act was sent to the madras assembly by the president, they didn’t reject it…infact, there was even voting on what should be the capital of the new state among the members belonging to the andhra region. Compare that with what happened in the AP state assembly…you have your answer.
” Article 3 is needed to prevent tyranny of the majority. The rights to create new states should be vested with the Centre , and Centre alone in a country with vast variety of cultures.
“Tyranny of the majority? Are you kidding? Did you consider the fact that there would be some people in the telangana region who wouldn’t want a separate state? what about the ‘tyranny of the majority’ on them when the state is formed? I dare the center to make that argument, state that as the reason, and then we shall see its ramifications. No substance all rhetoric.
Federal principles ? Dude, India is not a federation. Stop parroting what your Seemandhra media utters. India is an indestructable Union of destructable states. Find me the word Federation in the Indian Constitution. It has been opined by Constitutional experts like DD Basu and Subash Kashyap that India is not a federation. So stop your delusions and read some book on the Indian Constitution by these 2 authors. I have done so and it is firmly stated that India is a Union of states , but not a federation !
Debatable whether I should have used the phrase “Federal Principles”. But I used it to convey the vagueness in the center-state relationship…on where to draw the line. “Stop parroting what your Seemandhra media utters“...Here comes the racist part.What made you assume that I come from the seemandhra region? So, if anyone questions the case for ‘separation’ he should be from seemandhra region? You clearly can’t think better. You are objectively challenged. And to where I picked the “Federal Principles” phrase..Parliament in this session rejected the “communal violence bill” on the point that, if enacted, it would violate “federal structure” of the country. Yes, they used that phrase. Now, that doesn’t make it right..it only says that there is a huge scope for debate in this area..and we missed that opportunity…that is all I suggested!
“No principle is ever consistent.”
A friend once said to me “there are no absolutes, stop looking for them”..I asked him “Are you sure?”…he replied “Absolutely”. So your statement “No principle is ever consistent” atleast is that consistent? You are a mystic, who encourages falsehood by masking the truth. Without principles one will be at the mercy of the whims and fancies of the rulers. It is the rule of the law and not rule of the rulers. To quote Aristotle in this regard “Laws should be constructed so as to leave as little as possible to the decision of those who judge.
As such, India never had a firm policy of linguistic states alone. If so, why was Uttrakhand carved out of AP ? Basic common sense.Where in the Constitution has it been enshrined that the basis for formation of states should be linguistic principles alone ? About democratic aspirations of other statehood demands, no other demand was promised statehood. Both BJP and Congress , in the case of Telangana, gave their promise for a separate state. Keep that in mind.
Man, you didn’t read the post. You skimmed through it, got the sense that it was against the telangana formation and you started ranting. The first state re-organisation committee set up by the center gave the basis for linguistic states. Center had adopted it ..thus it became a default policy. Then, during the NDA regime, three new states were formed which deviated from the linguistic basis; but there was consensus. Ideally, it should have constituted a new SRC , formed a basis and then should have divided. But on the floor of the house, the then home minister Advani, answering a question related to state re-organisation, said that for a new state formation, though its not a sufficient condition, the state assembly resolution was necessary. To my knowledge, thats the last stated position of the center on the state reorganisation principle. Based on this evidence, two principles can be drawn..a state demand becomes legitimate if there is a linguistic basis or if there is consensus.
If so, why was Uttrakhand carved out of AP ? Basic common sense
Basic common sense says you can’t justify a riot with a riot. But here if we apply ‘consensus’ principle uttrakhand is legitimate. I mentioned this in my post.
About democratic aspirations of other statehood demands, no other demand was promised statehood. Both BJP and Congress , in the case of Telangana, gave their promise for a separate state. Keep that in mind.
Here we are talking about principles, and not election promises. They can be anything. Also you are factually wrong. If you are one for nuances, Congress didn’t say they will form ‘telangana’ no matter what. In 2004 manifesto, they said they will constitute a second SRC to study Telangana and other state demands. In 2009 manifesto, they said a state committee will be formed to study the issue and try to bring ‘consensus’. Where is that committee? and where is the consensus? And yes, mine was poorly researched article and your comments were spot on with facts.
On hindsight, what did the Andhra Pradesh Government do to dispel the myths and fears ? They tried to suppress the movement rather than addressing concerns. The high handed attitude of the Government dominated by administrators and politicians of Seemandhra contributed to the existing chaos and hatred. Nothing was done by them to address genuine concerns of Seemandhraites. Probably they were under the illusion that Telangana will never be formed ? If anything , it is them who need to be blamed for this predicament.
This is completely irrelevant to the post. I don’t speak for the AP govt/seemandhra politicians nor did I make that claim in my article. I will be the first to criticize them, but that is altogether a different argument. Again, poor understanding.
If we adopt an objective principle and stand firm on that..you wouldn’t have these stalemates and people coming on to roads, violence etc. You wouldn’t need to agitate for years..if it complies with the principle..you will be eligible for a state…you can always alter the principle..but has to stated and be consistent.
But rest is pure bullshit. Maybe it will be giving thrills and hope to Seemandhra people who may come across this blog, but to a neutral person like me(I hail from Chennai and noway related to either Andhra or Telangana) who I resided in Hyderabad for a considerable amount of time to understand the genuine concerns of Telangana people. I find no reason for Seemandhra people to force unity on Telangana people who want a separate state. Whether it gives them development or not, I think it is upto them to decide their destiny in their own state , like you Andhra guys did after splitting away from Tamil Nadu.
“like you Andhra guys did after splitting away from Tamil Nadu.” I didn’t even say that I was against the telangana formation..I was simply asking the reasons and the principle involved from the center and why media didn’t extract answers to them,..and you brand me as an “Andhra guy”? What an emotional fool you are! Even if I was one, belonging to a region doesn’t make one responsible for all the rights and wrongs happened through the history in that region. Rascism is the notion of ascribing historical, moral, social or political significance to a man’s lineage. And you are a racist by that standard. Not belonging to either region doesn’t bring objectivity, applying ones mind does. And you clearly failed to. You neither have any regard for principles nor facts. I wouldn’t have used such strong words at other times, but not condemning such emotional rants in the strongest terms possible is the reason for the mess the state is in today.